Q Follow-up #2

teaching, administration
giving, apostle
leadership, discernment
mercy, faith
prophecy, healing
service, helps
healing, knowledge
miracles, tongues
interpretation of tongues, wisdom
pastor, evangelist

(see Romans 12, 1 Corinthians 12, and Ephesians 4)

Here is a list of spiritual gifts mentioned in the New Testament.
Have some spiritual gifts expired?
If so, how do we authoritatively know which ones?

Post your comments.

Q Follow-up

OK,
What a great discussion we began on Sunday. I love those Q Sundays. I love opening up the discussion to hear what everyone adds to an idea or an issue. Our discussion of the use of tongues got cut way too short. I have been clouded by the sense that we really were not done and that our worshipping community is left with some unclarity. (I must say that when it comes to these overtly mystic spiritual gifts, I often feel a sense of unclarity.) PS I know that "unclarity" is NOT a word.

So, lets keep the conversation going here.

Let's start with this idea. Does EVERY spiritual gift have a place in the church?

There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
(1 Corinthians 12:4-8)

So the phrase "common good" sticks out to me to be a highly significant phrase in the whole discussion of spiritual gifts. The Holy Spirit in other places describes the gifts as building up the "whole body"... It seems the common good and what is common good in a give place at a given time would be the factor that God uses to dispense and inspire any of the gifts for you. The phrase "all men" also sticks out to me. The idea of all leaves no one out of the gift reception process.

All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines. (verse 11)

Again the idea of each one. One of my thoughts whenever we discuss spiritual gifts is the idea that we are all gifted and we should take seriously the idea to find, develop, and use that gift.

OK, all this to say that it seems to me that if every person has a gift, and every person has a place in the church, it is likely that every gift has a place in the church. In fact, as I read on in 1 Corinthians 12 - 14, the Holy Spirit leads Paul to write in such a way as to completely enmesh the identities of people and gifts into one notion.

Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body. (1 Corinthians 12:14-20)

Paul seems to start up this discussion of the body without ever defining it. He seems to assume prior knowledge. Could this be from his writing to the Romans or from his discussion while present in Corinth? He mentions the idea of the church as a body previously in 1 Corinthians 10:17, referring to the persons as the members of one body. But his metaphor here seems specifically to deal with people in regard to their gifts and the contribution their gifts bring to the whole church.

OK, now I'm rambling like a preacher. Post your comment and lets keep digging. I'll bring up another idea tomorrow.

Season of Prayer and Meditation Entry 12

Praying for my wife and personal friends today.

Season of Prayer and Meditation Entry 11

Praying today for our ministry to students and kids. I'm specifically praying for these important servants in those ministry areas.
Jill Axelson
Joy Prys
Jordan & Sarah Bentley
Kirk Warmerdam
Josie Lopez
Melissa & Jason Lincicum
Tyler & Dusti Jones
Jeffery Hamilton
Lori Kane
Debbie Downs
Phil Perkins
Debbie Garrett
Allyson Sippel
Breanne Luis
Jennifer Adams
Rosemary Capriola
Bethany Cantrell
Heather Cripe
Pam Perkins

I'm praying for endurance and persistence and the mission today. And asking God to protect these families in these economically tough times. I'm asking for their souls to be nourished and their vision to be renewed. I asking for their physical health and for a dynamic sense of God's presence in all the areas of life.

Season of Prayer and Meditation Entry 10

Continuing to pray for Life Group facilitators today. As i begin to seek God's clear direction for epic in 2009, these people are people on the front line of ministry and therefore on the front line of the spiritual battle for Hanford. I feel compelled to continue my focus on praying for them intently.

GROWTH
STRENGTH
WISDOM
PROTECTION
OUTREACH
GRACE

Thank you God for these incredible soldiers. Help me lead them with the passion and power of your kingdom. Help me to uphold them with your grace and your care. Help me to inspire them to reach beyond themselves and reach out to where only you can keep them. Help me to love them with Your love so that they know the security of your presence. Help me to shepherd them as the good shepherd (little g) you call me to be.

God, as they pray with their life groups, empower their prayer by your Spirit and connect them to the true issues that happen in the unseen realm. As they fellowship with those in their groups, connect them to one another with authentic friendship and genuine openness, with compassion for one another and with your hands and feet in action among them. As they challenge the members of their groups to conform more to the Word of Life, give them confidence and grace, authority and mercy, knowledge and integrity, help and hope.

Thank you God for these servants, diligent and trustworthy. Thank you.

amen